Mirroring of some Yahoo Groups

Started archiving some Yahoo groups under


At the moment JoesCell2 and viktorschaubergergroup

The groups are also, at the moment available as zip files in that same aformentioned folder.

No search function yet but hopefully soon.


Germano on the similarities between the Tesla Turbine and the Schauberger Repulsine

Frank Germano <frankgermano @ wrote:

Hello List!

Here's my take on the similarities between the Tesla Turbine and the Schauberger Repulsine: Both are VERY similar in what is happening inside the units. In the Tesla Turbine, which, by the way, I have almost a decade of logged time in research and development, we have a spiraling vortex compression device. Adhesion and viscosity, naturally play a large part in how the turbine is driven. The singular problem with the Tesla Turbine is this: at start-up, it want to behave as if it were a Tesla Pump. Meaning, the central opening in the disk pack is "sucking" in air or fluid, and that sucking force must be overcome by the propelling fluid. This little tidbit of info always puzzled me, UNTIL, that is, when I started reading about Schauberger's Repulsine. Add to this the fact that, when the Tesla Turbine is run at internal temperatures high enough to cause the disks to become maliable (ie. above 1200 deg f.) they began to show definate similarities to Schauberger's wavy plates (in the Repulsine) - short of one difference - they scalloped like a clam shell.

Living water vortex jug energizer things

From: "esa juhani ruoho (lackluster)" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:21 pm

Subject: living water vortex jug energizer things

ok so theres a few out there, theres taps, theres jugs, the whole lot. i bumped into a few faucet-tap-installation-go-betweens that are extremely expensive, then some jugs that would be cheaper, and are sold by for instance, alick bartholomew is selling one ( ) one , i'm edging towards getting this- - what im asking is - theres a lot of these types of things around.. do any of you have any takes on these things, any one that you yourself have verified working - any ones that you havent managed to benefit from.. etc.. please if anyone has anything to add, at least mail me privately or anything at all.

yours, esa


From: "cybe100777" <news....>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:39 pm

Here are some examples of what I've found:

A swedish company, Plus & Minus AB,, that sells IMO very expensive products, they are also sold in Finland, at Water whirlers to add on to your faucet, 215 Euros (!)...

Then I've seen some of these Grander products;

Another one is Nordic Living Water Systems -

What methods are there to try out these things? I can think of a few, growing something, and watering with either plain chlorified deadish tap-water, or water that has been run through one of these whirlers.

Another method, I read in an article here

I've read that Curt has tested Dan Reeses Vortex System. Have you tested any of these aforementioned products, or similar ones?

Modern Energy Research Library



From: "Audun Forgard"
Date: Sat Dec 3, 2005 2:42 pm

The one provided by clean-water. dk is the one I have, it has an okay price, it whorls the water into a better structure and makes it easier for it to get into the body and cleanse. Drinking it at 4c is quite a nerve-freezing experience though, as the water pierces deep into the tounge and lips, the mouths cavity, afterwards its like a fresh taste, and one feels very awake!

A gripe I have to add, and perhaps a suggestion to boot is, they should use some better cans. The one provided now is in hard plastic and mine broke this spring during a frenzy of lambs getting birthed! So perhaps: A: There is an opportuniy for the likes of Tupperware to make better cans, and use Clean-Water`s technology thus getting a better distribution on the product. B: Since water is generally a light-shy entity it could be in the domain of local potters to mould nice jug, probalby upping ther mineral quality and content of the water contained...

I have also tried one more advanced apparatus done by japanese firm Nikken, that had a renewable mineral supply embedded in the system, and was using some sort of magnet technology for the whirl.. The water was well tasty as you probably can guess.



Hardcore Love Antarctic Spring

Does the Poppel report contradict the 2nd law of thermodynamics in any way?

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Does the Poppel report contradict the 2nd law of thermodynamics in any way?
If it does how?
 If it does not why not?
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Mailinglist - Viktor Schauberger Group (Yahoogroups)

Discussion on all aspects of Viktor Schauberger's amazing inventions and life history. An attempt will be made to duplicate and build some of his inventions, and to implement his environmental technologies into mainsteam use.

 "The main focus I'd like to stick to with this group, is HOW to build Schauberger's inventions (for everyone, from common homeowners... to industrial apps), HOW to implement his water technology into mainstream use, and HOW to get everyone aware of the crappy, treated water we are all drinking (take a good look at all of my webpages, starting with and see exactly what problems we've created... then, go through the links at the bottom of "PAGE 4" and see what great products companies like GRANDER, CIR, ECOWORLD, etc., are doing with Viktor's work. It's pretty amazing. We have to get the spiral pipes (the Whorle-pipes) into use publicly... the containers for storing water (the Amorpha)... Vortex Energizers... the Water Purifying MAchine... then... we can get deeply involved with the Home Power Generator... the Tornado Vortex Generator... The Repulsine (which I've fully described on how you can build one on my website!)... let me know what you all think. You are the starters of this group, so you will all set the "tone" of the discussion. Thanks again...- Frank Germano"

Unsorted snippets

From: Dan Janzen <[email protected]>
Date: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: [viktorschaubergergroup] Is there any workable technology yet? janzen200

Repulsine notes 

From: Ruud Rouleaux (HOME OFFICE)
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: [viktorschaubergergroup] back from Holiday

Just came back from Italy and afterwards visited the PKS in Austria and had a good talk with Joerg Schauberger.


The motion of the trout is still the key-factor of the implosion theory. The repulsine is also called the trout turbine. Imagine the trouts head as the repulsine, together with a gill-system, to implode water. See if you get this, the impulse comes from the flowing water, intake through the mouth, creation of new water/vortex ring through the gill-systems, exit trough the gill and creation of a imploding vortex (re-pulse). The trout will be shot-away like a prunestone that is launched between two fingers.


Please have a look at the schauberger group website, look under files and trout propulsion [now also the links below]. Here a some ideas about the movement of fish.

An Introduction to Vortices and Vorticity - vortex.pdf
Fish Exploiting Vortices Decrease Muscle Activity
Part 1B Engineering: Biological and Medical Engineering, Fish Swimming, Lecture 1 -2

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