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of the
1st International Workshop On Natural Energies (IWONE)

(9.3.-11.3. 2001 in Großbothen near Leipzig, Germany)
Wilhelm-Ostwald-Archiv und –Tagungsstätte (Landsitz “Energie”)

Pasquale Tribuzio, Curt Hallberg, Norbert Harthun physical and email addresses removed.


1 Introduction............................................................................................................................. 4

2 Wilhelm-Ostwald-Archiv und -Tagungsstätte......................................................................... 4

3 DAY 1: Friday 9.3.2001............................................................................................................ 5
3.1 Jörg Schauberger: Original Sketches etc. of Viktor Schauberger ............................................ 6
3.2 Norbert Harthun: A Way to Natural Technologies ................................................................... 6
3.3 Richard C. Feierabend: A Historical Perspective; „Show and Tell“ of Various Items and
Disassembly of a „Mini-Saucer“.............................................................................................. 8
3.4 Klaus Rauber: Whirl-Pipe , Helicoid Pipes - Spiral Vortex Pipes.......................................... 10

4 DAY 2: Saturday 10.3.2001................................................................................................... 11
4.1 Norbert Harthun: Electrical Resonant Circuits as Analogies to the Whirl-Pipe and rilled Double-
Membrane ........................................................................................................................... 12
4.2 Lars Johansson: Self Organizing Flow Technology- In Viktor Schauberger‘s Footsteps ........ 13
4.3 Lars Johansson & Curt Hallberg: Aerodynamics and the Repulsine...................................... 13
4.4 Klaus Rauber: Repulsator Noble Water Devices................................................................... 13
4.5 Michael Haitz: Ranque-Hilsch-Pipe (Vortex-Pipe)................................................................. 14
4.6 Ive Anders & Morten Oveson: The Augustenborg project – Some Applications of Viktor
Schauberger’s Principles in a Landscape Architectural Context............................................ 14
4.7 Curt Hallberg: The Stuttgart Egg Tube Experiment – Film..................................................... 14
4.8 Dolly Knight & Jonathan Stromberg: Devices Beyond Scientific Explanation – Control of their
Efficiency ............................................................................................................................. 15
4.9 Josef Pühringer: Some Thoughts about the Stuttgart-Experiment ......................................... 15
4.10 William Baumgartner: Geometry of Ether Flow Around Twister pipes [Wendelrohre] & Energy
from Space through the Quadropole System of Nature......................................................... 16
4.11 Anton Salat; Horst Kersting: Public Relations and Activities on Fairs ................................... 16

5 DAY 3: Sunday 11.3.2001..................................................................................................... 17
5.1 Pasquale Tribuzio: Could the Projective Geometry developed by George Adams help us to
comprehend V. Schaubergers Ideas? .................................................................................. 17
5.2 Curt Hallberg: Spiral Tubes and Viktor Schauberger’s Turbine ............................................. 19
5.3 Cedric Mannu: Genesis according to Schauberger: Aether and Life. Discovery of a
new Field............................................................................................................................ 19
5.4 William Baumgartner: The Design and Manufacture of Wendelrohre .................................... 20

6 Designations .......................................................................................................................... 21
6.1 Geräte zur Erzeugung von Vor- und Auftrieb.(Generation of propulsion and buoyancy) ........ 22

7 Greetings of the participants to one classic: Olof Alexandersson...................................... 23

1 Introduction

Mr. Harthun, Mr. Hallberg and I decided last year (2000) to meet in Leipzig on a
weekend to discuss different subjects of Viktor Schaubergers theories.
The intention was to hold a more practical workshop.
Soon many of you heard about it and told us their intention to join our “little”
workshop too. We were very surprised and honoured as 34 participants inscribed
themselves to that what should become the 1st IWONE.
We hope that this workshop will be a first step to a more opened and joint work.
The organizers would like to thank everyone who came to the workshop especially
Mr. Jörg Schauberger and Mr. Richard Feierabend.
The different speakers still independently use various translations of the German
designations of the devices. After „1st IWONE“ they discussed a standardisation via
e-mail and choosed those which were recommended mostly. (Thanks to Callum
Coats, whose participation in the discussion was very helpfull-he could not join the
workshop). You find the results in chapter 6. Please use them in the future.
(Some of the treatises will be available in the near Future in full size on –
Pasquale Tribuzio

2 Wilhelm-Ostwald-Archiv und - Tagungsstätte
(Landsitz “Energie”)

In 1853 Wilhelm Ostwald was born in Riga as the second son of a german-rooted
workman family. He studied chemistry at the University of Dorpat (which is now
Tartu) in Estonia. He got his first professorship in 1882 at the polytechnic in Riga. In
1887 the minister of education appointed Ostwald to the professorship of physical
chemistry at the University of Leipzig, at that time the only professorship of its kind in
the world.
The research for cause and progress of chemical transformation brought Ostwald in
close contact with the term „Energy“. At the convention of nature scientists and
physicians 1895 in Lübeck he presented his results and concluded that matter is just
a special form of energy. 100 years ago this claim was widely rejected because only
a few specialists understood how to use the term „Energy“ properly. The materialists
thought to be robbed of their matter. The idealists missed the spirit because Ostwald
explained the process of thinking with energy transformations. And the theoretic
physicists missed the mathematical apparatus
In 1898 Ostwald and his staff members devoted themselves to the research of the
catalyst. In 1909 he won the Nobel Prize for the discoveries resulting from his
Ostwald left the University of Leipzig in 1906. He felt that the pressure resulting from
teaching and research left him not enough free space to pursue new fields of interest
that are based on his energetic view of the world. He has put much effort in
organizing a world wide information exchange among scientists and the
standardization of printing formats. Furthermore he propagated the technical usage
of the sun as inexhaustible energy source. He also was interested in topics which his
fellow colleagues often called exotic.
With the age of 61 he thru himself into the colors in order to make this phenomenon
usable with measures and numbers. After solving all the scientific problems Ostwald
concentrated his efforts to promote his system in order to put it in practice. Wilhelm
Ostwald died in 1932 in a hospital in Leipzig.

The Country Seat „Energie“
It was purchased and designed by Ostwald within 20 years. The estate shows his
way of life and his nearness to the nature. The estate got over the Second World-War
without any damage. In spite of the material difficulties in the post-war time the family
did not sell anything. They were supported by former American pupils of Ostwald. It is
the only house left in Germany owned by a scientist of the turn of the century. In
2001 it celebrates its one-hundredth anniversary.
[Excerpts (slightly changed) from information sheets of the Congress-Center (scanner was used)]

3 DAY 1: Friday 9.3.2001

Leader of Discussions: Pasquale Tribuzio

10:00 Begin of Registration
14:00-14:15 Pasquale Tribuzio: Welcome Speech
14:15-15:15 Short Introductions of the Participants themselves
15:15-15:45 Jörg Schauberger: Original Sketches etc. of Viktor Schauberger
15:45-16:00 Discussion
16:00-16:15 Break
16:15-16:30 Norbert Harthun: A Way to Natural Technologies
16:30-17:15 Richard C. Feierabend: A Historical Perspective; ,,Show and Tell'' of Various Items and Disassembly of a ,,Mini-Saucer''
17:15-17:30 Discussion
17:30-18:00 Klaus Rauber: Whirl-Pipe
18:00-18:30 Discussion
18:30-- Dinner and free talks

3.1 Jörg Schauberger: Original Sketches etc. of Viktor Schauberger

Like other participants of the 1st IWONE-Meeting, Joerg Schauberger, one of Viktor's
grandsons, brought different items to Grossbothen.
These were special devices out of the Schauberger-Archive at Bad Ischl in Austria.
Originated from the labs of Viktor and Walter Schauberger, Joerg presented some of
Viktor's Spiral Pipes [ I will use common descriptions] as well as a huge hyperbolic
cone, Walter used to make fluid-experiments with.
Other devices were small parts of prototypes (studies of Viktor for different Implosionmachines).

Original plans for the Repulsine from the years 1944 and 1945 and sketches of Troutboats
could have been looked at.
On the other hand he showed a Kudu-Horn made out of ceramic (?), new Copper-
Garden-Tools inspired by Viktor's research, copies of a book about the mathematics
of Walter ("Der Hyperbolische Kegel", written by Claus Radlberger) and the CD-Rom
"Water - Blood of the Earth", containing many of the water-related texts of Viktor and
video-clips from an historic film about the legendary log-flume at Neuberg.
Book and CD-Rom are published by PKS ("Pythagoras Kepler System" - a non-profit
organisation, also organizing seminars about Viktor and Walter at the PKS-Institute at
Bad Ischl - for more information see:

3.2 Norbert Harthun: A Way to Natural Technologies

Statements to Viktor and Walter Schauberger’s viewpoints
We don’t have the intuition of Viktor Schauberger and we do not have his knowledge
and experience of nature, but we have his treatises, letters and other statements. So
we are possibly able to understand or to feel, what Viktor wanted to tell. One
hopeless possibility were trying to repeat his experiments or rebuild exactly his
devices following his “poetic“ descriptions. On the other hand we additionally can use
the results of the conventional sciences and make our own interpretations. So Walter
Schauberger did and the results were new patents and the „Schauberger Hyper -
Funnel“ or - Cone (depending on the application).

It makes sense to find our own conclusions while comparing Viktor’s and Walter‘s
statements and the results of the conventional science and trying to get a holistic
view of nature. And we have to distinguish between fundamentals and applications. If
we walk this way, we may be optimistic!

Examples for Viktor Schauberger‘s Knowledge about Universal Procedures of
Nature: Unknown Subtle Energies

It is the aim of these few lines to prevent that this important knowledge of Viktor falls
into oblivion or is overlooked. Generally said: His conviction was that every
manipulation or action in our world activates (or is accompanied by) subtle energetic
effects which have an influence on the stuff involved and the surroundings. These
effects are either favourable or the opposite, depending upon the kind of movement!
This idea is really unorthodox and only originated by Viktor Schauberger.
As important examples, some of his statements dealing with a natural watercourse
are to be cited:

„The bend is the water’s cradle. By the swaying motion it comes to structural changes
inside the water which are overlooked by the experts...The generatable energy by a
Bio-Dynamic-Motion appears as increase of lift- and drag-force...The increase of
lifting and draging forces manifests themselves mainly in the axis (of the pipe), where
inhomogeneous concentrations appear because gases turn into spaceless
energystuffs and therefore the core-water, which is a ball of energy, accelerates“.
„Besides bodystuff (juvenile water) which has the purpose to structurally bind higher
differencecultures, excesses of tension also appear. They escape horizontally,
penetrating every resistance, the surrounding soil too and cause indirectly the
increase of groundwater“ .

These examples show that still unknown energies are postulated, generated by
moving matter; a provocation to present science.

He knew that nature is characterized by „feedback“ processes although he never
uses this term directly. But sometimes the word „chain-reaction“ is to be found in his
texts, which is a special case of feedback, namely „positive feedback“.

Feedback means that the input of a system or process is influenced by its output. Or:
If an input cause guides to an output effect, this effect is retroacting to the input. If
this reaction weakens the resulting effect it is a „negative feedback“ and the whole
system is stable.

But if the resulting effect is strengthened by retroacting to the input, there is a
„positive feedback“- process. This system looses stability and becomes more
sensitive against extern influences. In extreme cases a „chain-reaction“ may happen.
Viktor Schauberger wrote the following text to a sketch (abbreviated):

„Trout-Turbine: This special form concentrates the involving water which effects as a
piston. This piston sucks new water for new involving.
More water – more energy emerges.
The more energy - the more water is sucked“etc.

This is exactly the circumscription of a „positive feedback“ process!

Another example for „positive-feedback“ conceptions of Viktor Schauberger: „This
rhythmical reaction process strictly must be guaranted, because a single mistake,
which happens within the reaction-chain, results in demolition of the device
(machine). The reason is that the elementary suction- and pressure-forces work out
with colossal energy if an unnatural motion or temperature-mode take effect within a
sythesizing and levitating chain-reaction“.

The following quotation (last but not least) shows his general conviction that
feedback-systems exist everywhere: „The fire-technology let this three-beatrhythm...
on the outside. It is composed of Cause + Effect + Reaction. The firetechnology
limited itself only to Cause + Effect, thus neglected the accumulation of
life- and movement-forces by permanent incorporation of power reserves through
retroactive self-fertilization“.

The last part of that statement must be interpreted as an influence on the stuff itself,
as a subtle energetic effect (see chapter 2.1). Viktor Schauberger had surely a
different view of matter or stuff than science today. His conception of important
influence on the matter by its kind of motion is unusual and should be proved and be
researched in the future.

The „Magic Motion“
If Viktor Schauberger is right that motion influences matter, it would be very
interesting for further research which kind of motion he means. He ascribes
marvellous physical and biological effects to a motion which is circumscripted by him
with countless names. A very famous example is: „Planetary Motion“. Unfortunately
he never made a sketch or drawing of that motion. So it lasted a long time until the
author really was sure that he has interpreted Viktor’s texts correctly and published
his first result 1980: The “multiple-thread-screw-motion“. It consists of a rotating rigid
core surrounded by many smaller whirls rotating around it and rotating themselves
around their axis while moving in the direction of the current. With other words: A
large „fluid-screw“ whose windings consist of smaller fluid-screws whose windings
consist of...possibly until infinity. The modern expression „Fractal“ fits exactly!
Independently of him a Swedish team („Malmö Group; IET“) concluded this type of
motion, documented on a CD-ROM which the author got in the year 2000. This
motion is possible in open devices as a „straight forward flow“ but it is not usable for
closed vessels. A convenient vortex motion for this case („Compound Vortex“) was
found from other sources than Viktor’s texts and published 1987 .The „Malmö-
Group; IET“ indepedently published this fluid motion on their CD-ROM too.
Not before 1997 the author found a treatise of Viktor published in the „Implosion“
where even this kind of motion is descripted by him as favourable too. So the
„Compound Vortex“ was even confirmed by Viktor. Details and relevant quotations
are written in a treatise which had the aim to reach a greater number of readers
instead of „Schauberger-Insiders“ as before . It is very interesting for the author, that
this figure already was chosen of Sten Kullberg (without comment) for the frontpage
of his „Examensarbete“ already in 1982.

Viktor Schauberger’s language is very difficult to understand and contains many self
created technical terms. In order to avoid more confusion everybody has to interprete
his texts very carefully! It seems to be the fate of his followers that they themselves
have to find the things out and then they‘ll know what Viktor Schauberger meant...

3.3 Richard C. Feierabend: A Historical Perspective; „Show and Tell“ of
Various Items and Disassembly of a „Mini-Saucer“

Former United States Navy Commander Richard C. (Dick) Feierabend (Retired) from
Fredericksburg, Virginia, USA attended the IWONE workshop and presented "A
Historical Perspective of Viktor Schauberger", that summarized his personal research
efforts over the past 10-years into Germany's alleged highly secret flying saucer
development project during World War II, and which eventually lead him to
investigate the concepts of Viktor Schauberger.

Commander Feierabend began his presentation with a brief introduction of his
personal background and his career as a pilot and Aeronautical Engineering Duty
Officer in the United States Navy. He indicated that he has always had a keen
interest in the German Luftwaffe during the second world war and has collected many
books on this subject. It was in one of these books titled German Jet Genesis,
written by David Masters and published by Janes Publishing (U.K.), that he read
about a secret flying saucer project in Germany and a single test flight during which
the aircraft climbed to an altitude of 11,450 meters in just over 3 minutes and
achieving a speed of 1,960 km/hour. His desire was to determine the technology that
was used to achieve such remarkable performance, even by today's standards,
before the advent of jet aircraft.

He began his research at the Library of Congress in Washington D.C. for any
available literature on German flying saucer development but found very little
information on the subject. He explained that all of his information of the flying
saucer project came from metaphysical and fringe publications as well as UFO
magazines. The information was non-technical and could not be used to prove the
existence of such a project and was in many cases the same recycled information
used by different authors. The one common element that he noted during his
research was that the name of Viktor Schauberger was often mentioned in nearly
every document he read. This lead him to Olof Alexandersson's book Living Water,
and to the Implosion periodicals where he learned more about Viktor Schauberger
and his possible involvement with the flying saucer project.

After several years of library research that was quickly becoming very unproductive,
Commander Feierabend decided to try and contact Mr. Karl Gerchsheimer during his
lunch break one day while he was still in the Navy in 1992. Mr. Gerchsheimer helped
to coordinate Viktor and Walter Schauberger's visit to Sherman, Texas in that fateful
summer of 1958. By sheer good fortune, he was extremely surprised to find his
telephone number listed near San Antonio, Texas and after only five minutes of
searching was talking to him on the telephone; Mr. Gerchsheimer was about 89 years
old at the time!! During a subsequent conversation with Jakim Tonn, an associate of
Commander Feierabend who was also interested in Viktor Schauberger, Mr.
Gerchsheimer said that "Feierabend can have the whole kit and caboodle"--meaning
all the Schauberger papers and implosion hardware he had stored at his home in
Texas. In October of 1994, shortly after he retired from the US Navy, Commander
Feierabend met Mr. Tonn in San Antonio, Texas and together they went
unannounced to the home of Mr. Gerchsheimer. Despite the shock of two complete
strangers, Mr. and Mrs. Gerchsheimer (who it was later learned was suffering from
Alzheimer's disease) were very cordial and gracious hosts.

True to his word, Mr. Gerchsheimer gave Commander Feierabend all the papers and
implosion hardware he had stored in the storage shed behind his house. The
greatest prize, however, was located beneath a work bench in the garage: the
Repulsine, the device similar to that pictured in many UFO publications and that
supposedly broke the anchor bolts and levitated to the ceiling of the Kertel workshop
in Vienna in the early 1940's!! Among the paperwork was found a signed copy of
Prof. Dr. Popel Stuttgart spiral pipe report, and the daily writings of Viktor and Walter
Schauberger. After returning home, professional photographs were taken of all the
hardware. The scanned images of these photographs and the written Schauberger
documents were shown during his presentation.

Commander Feierabend concluded his presentation with a few remarks on copyright
infringement and intellectual property. Despite some computer graphic wizardry, he
demonstrated that his pictures appearing in Callum Coats' book Living Energies were
used without his permission or knowledge on Mr. Jean-Louis Naudin's website. He
commented that based on his observations of Viktor Schauberger material, most of it
is basic recycled information taken by various authors from other limited sources and
used for their literary purposes, apparently without permission of the originator; there
is very little original material. He believes that greater emphasis and control is
needed to ensure integrity of the information and unauthorized use of the material.

3.4 Klaus Rauber: Whirl-Pipe , Helicoid Pipes - Spiral Vortex Pipes

Klaus Rauber
German Association for Implosion Research

Based on Viktor Schaubergers statements and experiments, a set of various helicoid
pipes have been investigated for their flow characteristics, documentated in the so
called "Pöpel Report". In the early 90s we built some helicoid pipes to repeat the
measurements of Prof. Pöpel. Profiling a 22mm pipe using steel rolls we formed the
spiral with a cylindric core. The test stand was built similar to the arrangements as
describes in the report.
Flow resistance was measured by pressure difference, flow rate by a Venturi-pipe. All
pipes showed the same flow characteristics. We stated always turbulent flow, no
resonance and had too much inaccuracy in the measurement of pressure difference.

In cooperation with Erich Neumann we developed two years ago the spiral vortex
pipe based on a usual straight copper pipe. The spiral egg shaped form is given by a
semi automated press. Optimization has been done by varying of wavelength. A
rhythmic fluid flow is forced by scales on the inside.

Meanwhile some hundred meters of these pipes are installed and positive effects on
the water quality have been noticed. In some applications we achieved an energetic
upgrading of the water from 5800 Bovis up to 17000 Bovis. The installation direction
of the pipe is very important. See Implosion No. 134 page 55.
Sensitive people feel form energetic emissions of a spiral pipe put into the earth
vertically. Growth increase and positive radiesthetic effects and rain water upgrading
have been achieved. Some users report about reduction of alga in small fish pools.

4 DAY 2: Saturday 10.3.2001

Leader of Discussions: Jörg Schauberger

8:00-8:15 Norbert Harthun: Electrical Resonant Circuits as Analogies to the Whirl-Pipe and Rilled Double-Diaphragm
8:15-8:30 Discussion
8:30-9:00 Lars Johansson: Self Organizing Flow Technology - In Viktor Schauberger's Footsteps
9:15-9:30 Discussion
9:30-9:45 Lars Johansson & Curt Hallberg: Aerodynamics and the Repulsine
9:45-10:00 Discussion
10:00-10:15 Coffee Break
10:15-10:45 Klaus Rauber: Repulsator
10:45-11:00 Discussion
11:00-11:15 Michael Haitz: Ranque-Hilsch-Pipe (Vortex-Pipe)
11:15-11:45 Ive Anders & Morten Oveson: The Augustenborg project - Some Applications of Viktor Schauberger's Principles in a Landscape Architectural Context
11:45-12:00 Discussion
12:00-14:00 Lunch-Break (2 Hours)
14:00-14:30 Curt Hallberg: The Stuttgart Egg Tube Experiment - Film
14:30-15:00 William Baumgartner: Energy from Space through the Quadropole System of Nature
15:00-15:15 Discussion
15:15-15:45 Dolly Knight & Jonathan Stromberg: Devices Beyond Scientific Explanation - Control of their Efficiency
15:45-16:00 Discussion
16:00-16:15 Break
16:15-16:30 Josef Pühringer: Some Thoughts about the Stuttgart-Experiment
16:30-17:15 Discussion
17:15-18:00 William Baumgartner: Geometry of Ether Flow Around Twisted pipes [Wendelröhre]
18:00-18:15 Discussion
18:15-18:30 Anton Salat; Horst Kersting: Public Relations and Activities on Fairs
18:30 Dinner and free talks
19:30 Guided Tour through the Ostwald-Museum (Nobel-Prize-Winner/Chemistry), max. 15 Persons

4.1 Norbert Harthun: Electrical Resonant Circuits as Analogies to the Whirl-
Pipe and rilled Double-Membrane

The famous experiment of Prof. Pöpel with the Kudu-Horn-Replica (TH Stuttgart 1952) is still
a puzzle. It is not completely solved or repeated on the same manner or with the same
results. One reason is that the replica of that experiment is lost. On the other hand there is
the speculation, that the water in our time does not have the same quality or physical
structure as in 1952. Therefore it has another physical behavior in flowing.

If the description of the experiment is analysed, a main characteristic effect points out: The
effect of resonance, although Prof. Pöpel never uses this word directly. More generally
thinking, the authors of „IET“ speak about „Selforganisation“. That means the sudden
appearance of complex structures in the fluid.

Because of the structuring effect of standing waves on the medium in a resonant cavity there
is a strong relationship between „Selforganisation“ and „Resonance“. Organ Pipes as
acoustic Resonators are known, they are open or closed cavities. In both cases the medium
stays in the interior of the cave, it does not flow entering and leaving the device. The acoustic
wave is reflected at both ends and builds up a standing wave if the frequency fits the
dimensions of the cave.

The Kudu-Horn-Replica is an open system guiding the fluid and is at the first glance quite
different from an organ-pipe. But there are still two possibilities to find reasons for
resonance: Even a normal plain pipe, containing a flowing fluid behaves as a resonant circuit
which can be represented by the electric-circuit elements: Resistor, Inductivity (open end)
and Capacitor (closed end). The cross section of this pipe is asymmetrical and the pipe is
winded. So we may speak about a partial „semi closed“ pipe and the conditions for a
homogeneous distributed L and C are approximated. So these three elements together form
a Serial-Resonant-Circuit.

The second consideration on possibilities for resonance is an analogy to the DFB-Laser
(Distributed Feedback Laser). Inside this Laser there is a periodical structur along the way of
the light, allowing distributed reflections with resulting resonance. The dimensions of that
system determine the wavelength of the emitted light. Analog to this the windings of the
Kudu-Horn-Replica (and the rilled Double-Membrane) can be regarded as periodical
reflectors inducing reflected pressure waves inside the fluid and causing resonance.

Last not least there is another interesting point: In the experiment 1952 the Kudu-Horn-
Replica was linked to the system by rubber pipes. They are to be regarded as elastic springs
which allow vibrations of the Kudu-Horn-Replica and sustain the effect while the water is

4.2 Lars Johansson: Self Organizing Flow Technology- In Viktor
Schauberger‘s Footsteps

A discussion of a research project at IET 1994-97 on self-organization
and Viktor Schauberger. With the Stuttgart experiment as a starting
point, we repeated parts of that experiment and surveyed similar
research. We then performed several experiments aimed at highlighting
the mechanisms at work. Out of this effort we tried to evolve a modern
framework for the interpretation of VS's ideas, based on chaos and
self-organization theory.

4.3 Lars Johansson & Curt Hallberg: Aerodynamics and the Repulsine

A discussion of research on the repulsine (1996-97) and its possible
aerodynamical principles. The Coanda effect, and how it could be related
to the repulsine, is covered, as well as some historical connections.
Some modelling of flow and function of various parts of the repulsine is
considered. Simple experimental demonstrations with a Coanda form.

4.4 Klaus Rauber: Repulsator Noble Water Devices

Klaus Rauber
German Association for Implosion Research

From the remaining stocks of Kurt Loreks working team in Freiburg we reactivated a
noble water device consisting of a silverplated copper egg with a goldplated whirl, an
appropriate drive and a vacuum tight magnetic clutch. Darkness and cooling (positive
temperature gradient) are as important as isolation by paraffin to reduce radiation of
inner energies.
We used a glass egg for observation of the vortex to select the optimal whirl speed.
The highest speed is achieved in the area below the visible vortex, the so called
reaction zone or energy thread. The motor axis may not be in lengthening of the
vortex axis to avoid emv influence, so a V-belt drive is required.
A recipe for noble water is given by Aloys Kokaly:
Fill in springwater or aqua destillata with a starting temperature of 27°C. Two dark
bottles should be half filled with the above water, one of which should receive the
calcium and the the other the three other ingredients or sediments. Shake the two
bottles a few minutes. The bottle with the three sediments should be poured in first,
followed by the bottle containing calcium. Replace the air by carbon dioxide and run
the egg for ¾ h under positive temperature gradient, down to 4°C. Store the water in
glass vessels 24 h for maturation under 4°C and darkness and then drink the water in
small quantities during the next 24 h.

A description of a suction turbine for noble water production is given by Viktor
Schauberger in 1958:
Use paraffin isolated extreme egg shaped vessel with its peak below. The double

membrane should be made of diamagnetic materials like wood, copper, brass or bronze, silver or gold plated. The water dissolved ingredients are filled in above the
membrane at (g) and injected into the water during
rotation. Replace the air in (a) by carbon dioxide
atmosphere and start process with up to 0.8 bar
pressure. Through gill slots (d) carbon dioxide is
injected into the suction area between the
membranes (acts as capacitor). The peripheral
overpressure feeds water (b) into the suction rotor
(c). The turbine should run for 1h the water should
be kept in for 24h for fermentation.
According to Schauberger the vibrating wave form
causes atomic conversion of liquid substances, i.e.
changes the state of water from acid to sweet.

This apparatus could be useful for converting sea water into fresh water. Running at high speed, the repulsator builds up his own field of force. Thus the centrifugal force is compensated by an unknown centripetal current, building its own axis. Synthesis current discharges rectangular to the membrane. For more information: see Implosion No. 133, 134 and 135.

4.5 Michael Haitz: Ranque-Hilsch-Pipe (Vortex-Pipe)

A rather simple device with not quite satisfying explained functionality.
In a tube a vortex is generated by tangential influx of compressed air.
It seems to have close relationship to the work of Viktor Schauberger:
- centripetal movement of the air with cooling effect
- double helical movement with hot and cold air stream
separation of heat and coldness by pure mechanical movement

4.6 Ive Anders & Morten Oveson: The Augustenborg project – Some
Applications of Viktor Schauberger’s Principles in a Landscape
Architectural Context

A presentation and discussion of the "Onion conduits" we developed for
rainwater drainage in the Augustenborg quarter in Malmö (1998-2000).
Principles, development process, its relation to "Wirbela Flow Forms",
as well as some applications. Discussion of the self-organizing flow in
the conduits. Film demonstration of experimental set-up, and the
functioning of the conduits in their natural environment.

4.7 Curt Hallberg: The Stuttgart Egg Tube Experiment – Film

A demonstration of some of our experiments with an egg tube (1994-97).
The film covers accumulation and separation of particles, different
kinds of flow, as well as interpretations and some applications.

4.8 Dolly Knight & Jonathan Stromberg: Devices Beyond Scientific
Explanation – Control of their Efficiency

Centre for Implosion Research
Dolly Knight & Jonathan Stromberg

It is recognised that the standard parameters used in scientific water analysis are
inadequate in monitoring the effects of subtle energy devices on water. Such devices
can cause direct or indirect effects such as changes to the structure and light
emissions of/from water. This in turn can have an effect on the life giving, sustaining
and enhancing quality of water.

Using the products of CIR, the following methods and results were presented:

  • Darkfield microscopy – images by Dr. David Schweitzer, London and Dr.
    Derek Hasdell, Japan. Applying the Vortex Energiser increases coherence of
    clusters and light emissions.
  • Light scattering experiments by Dr. Bernd Schmeikal, testing the irradiance of
    blue stray light at a wavelength of 470nm at the critical transition from liquid
    water to ice. At the transition time a shock of irradiance occurred which was
    different for the two types of water and proves that their structures cannot be
    identical. Compared to the tap-water under test, the imploded water generates
    ice more transparent than tap-water. Ice from the imploded water is more
    glassy and capable to freeze the dynamic states of the original liquid water
    from which it stems. This liquid must have a different ratio of concentrations of
    water dimer-, trimer-, and tetramer isotopomers over water pentamer- and
    hexamer molecules as compared to tap-water.
  • Lymphocyte viability tests by Roger Coghill showed that the number and
    viability of in vitro lymphocytes remain higher in samples which were
    energised with the Personal Harmoniser.
  • Kirlian photographs by Dr. Bernd Schmeikal, showing a profound energising
    effect of imploded water and of wearing the personal harmoniser on 5 patients.
    Furthermore, degenerative signs in the Kirlian photos are restored.

4.9 Josef Pühringer: Some Thoughts about the Stuttgart-Experiment

by Dipl.-Ing. Josef Friedrich Pühringer (Physicist)
Project: Ph. D. Thesis on the Stuttgart Experiment

The results of the Pöpel-report are wellknown but I think it was never made an analysis
of the way the results were calculated. Many people know that parts of the results
including the negative friction of the "Wendelrohr" or calculated values.

The author tried to reproduce the results starting using the Bernoulli-equation
describing streaming in tubes. The surprising results were:
1.) The formulas used by Prof. Pöpel are wrong which leads to an mistake of about
1,5 to 9 %. This isn't neglectable when trying to find out if there's negative friction or
2.) There is a too low number of experimental values especially for the experimentalsetup,
so Prof. Pöpel has to make extrapolations to get the friction for the tubes.
3.) The experiment-setup gives also some hints that the method used to measure the
friction-losses is leading to incorrect results.
Though this mistakes the Pöpel-report is a pioneering account for the work of Viktor
Schauberger showing that scientific methods can give hints for his claims. (Especially
the experiments with the threads showing double twisting and the shadow behind
thin copper-threads.)

Those interested in the details analysis can order it from the author at the self-costprice
or can get it in electronic form.

4.10 William Baumgartner: Geometry of Ether Flow Around Twister pipes
[Wendelrohre] & Energy from Space through the Quadropole System of

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4.11 Anton Salat; Horst Kersting: Public Relations and Activities on Fairs

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5 DAY 3: Sunday 11.3.2001

Leader of the Discussions: Curt Hallberg

8:00 – 8:30

8:00-8:30 Pasquale Tribuzio: Could the Projective Geometry developed by
George Adams help us to comprehend V. Schaubergers Ideas?
8:30-8:45 Curt Hallberg: Spiral Tubes and Viktor Schauberger’s Turbine
8:45-9:15 Discussion
9:15-9:45 Cedric Mannu: Genesis according to Schauberger: Aether and
Life. Discovery of a new Field
9:45-10:00 Discussion
10:00-10:15 Coffee Break
10:15-10:45 William Baumgartner: The Design and Manufacture of Wendelrohre
10:45-11:00 Discussion
11:00-11:45 Discussion: Is a Joint Work needed and how would it be Possible?
Answering questions arised during the Workshop
11:45-12:00 Pasquale Tribuzio: Official End-Speech

5.1 Pasquale Tribuzio: Could the Projective Geometry developed by George
Adams help us to comprehend V. Schaubergers Ideas?

In 1999 some friends and I decided to reproduce the experiment done by professor
Pöpel with the drilled vortex tube. We began with the study of some documents from
and about Viktor Schauberger. Then soon some patents followed.
But the detailed explanations on how these applications where working, are not well
explained or still missed.
This doesn’t mean that Viktor Schaubergers Ideas were wrong.
We then decided to follow Mr. Kullbergs footsteps on how to reproduce the
We bought a Kudu Horn and tried to make a “Plast form” of it. Unfortunately the form
broked, and no replication has been made till now.
Just before we decided to make a replica of the Kudu-horn, I began to look after a
way to draw the egg curve.
Soon I found out that the egg curve doesn’t exist, but plenty of them. Until now I
found 3 ways of doing that.

1) The first is the one witch we find in the “Vesica Pescis” – a term
from Sacred Geometry.
2) The second is called the “Cartesian oval” studied by Descartes in

By changing the parameters a Limaçol of Pascal can be drawn.

3) The third is called the “Cassini oval” and is very similar to the

By changing the parameters a Lemniscate can be drawn.

Further researches on the egg form, brought me more and more to projective
geometry. I found some evidences that George Adams and Viktor Schauberger
where studying in the same field but with a different approach.
George Adams was a follower of Rudolf Steiner’s ideas. Adams saw a strong relation
between the idea of a counter space, claimed by Rudolf Steiner, and the Principle of
duality on witch the “Projective Geometry” is based.
For Adams and for Viktor Schauberger, both the vortex as principle and the rhythm
are keys in the process of creation of forms and living beings, as well as for all forces.
Projective Geometry made it possible to explain some characteristics of the so-called
Ether, as it has been experienced and understood by Rudolf Steiner.
Adams was not the only one who contributed to the Projective Geometry. There were
also Georg Unger, Louis Locher , Lawrence Edwards.
Lawrence Edwards himself spent nearly 40 years in studying variations in growth of
different plants and seeds. He found cyclic pattern in their growth that correlated with
the movements of the planets surrounding the Earth.
This should not mislead us to believe that planets do have effect on living beings.
But, that the same laws, witch are governing the movement of the planets, do also
affect the rest of creation.
Adams was also studying path-curves to be able to visualize the flow of water and to
find path curves that could clean or affect the quality of Water. John Wilkes
John Wilkes afterward made a model of such a Path-Curve.
Wilkes developed then his “Virbela Flowforms”.
Nick Thomas, Peter Gschwind, Renatus Ziegler and others are still studying and
developing projective geometry.

For me it’s very clear, that George Adams and V. Schauberger where both studying
in the same field, but each one in his own way, the way that was familiar to him and
to his perception of the world.
I believe that Viktor Schaubergers Ideas and Applications can only be understood by
observing Nature and studying the writings of George Adams, Lawrence Edwards.

5.2 Curt Hallberg: Spiral Tubes and Viktor Schauberger’s Turbine

A theoretical discussion of spiral tubes, some of their mathematical
relations, and questions of geodetic lines (optimal paths). A discussion
of water flow between rill plates and pattern formation (and possible
mechanisms). Connections with Viktor Schauberger's "home turbine".
Experiments with a spiral tube rotor.

5.3 Cedric Mannu: Genesis according to Schauberger: Aether and Life.
Discovery of a new Field

Principles Cosmology of Universe
Aether is like an ocean of subtle particles. It is not taken in the physical meaning of
wave pattern, but as the origin of everything. The visible world comes from elements,
that are not material in any sense. They can be attracted in making the universe, by a
self-generated movement, similar to two-fold circles waving in spirals. Wronski made
direct analogy between God (time), Christ (space), and Spiritus (movement), and
Aether is the essence of God. So one has to understand that Aether made the first
movement in the same way as God created light…
Schauberger understood this very operation of nature. He said that H was first to be
created, and from H, Aether created O. This creation is similar to 1 deploying itself in
2 or 3, 2 being the way to 3, but nothing more than 1 – just a different geometric
pattern in one (taken as a whole). After H and O, by multiplication, Water is formed.
And, for Schauberger as for Boutard, every other element (all called carbons) are
taken from water, matrix of Aether manifestation in the physical world.

Biological Transmutation (Kervran)
Vauquelin’s experiment and Zündel (with oat sprouting) showed that there is a way
for natural transmutation, non radioactive, at low energetic level. Some calculation,
made by physicist A. Gohin showed that Kervran’s discovery cannot be explained by
neutrino. Its energetic level is not important enough to explain this.
The basic experiment is that with one element (for example K39) the chicken is able
to make fine eggs, without taking Ca41 from its own bones.
It took some time to understand how nature accomplishes such a great mystery. But
we at Eurekall, and especially Jacques Ravatin – main one of our leading searchers
and scientist –, found a new way to comprehend reality and thought. In this process,
“localisation and delocalisation” became a way to understand this kind of modification
in the structure of reality. In the same way you look at a railway and your able to
count, there will be one moment where you can’t count anymore, and further away
you will be able to count for one brief moment more. If you repeat the experiment,
you will never get the same numbers. In physics, these shifts are due to change from
a localized space to an unlocalized one.
Transmutation is not direct, it doesn’t transform one matter into another. Implosion
put one matter back again in Aether subtle matter, and from Aether, the new matter is
shaped through maturation of this sudden change.

First devices – half replication, full success
Because we studied the links between thoughts and reality, and their crossfertilization,
we were soon able to get strong modifications out of Aether, and what
Jacques Ravatin had theorised as “Forms & Coherent field theory”. Eurekall
scientists created different devices, such as Actized, and we were able to make
strong wine chemical modifications without adding any chemical or classic physical
treatment. We were able to make micro bubbles appear in glass, transform water and
make some chemicals disappear.

Aether (Louis Boutard)
Louis Boutard (1880-1958) is one of the French genius that we studied and continue
to appreciate. The good thing is that such genius makes it easier to understand the
ideas of Schauberger, and vice versa. If you know only one of them, the ideas can be
hard to understand, and disturbing compared to our little ideas of what the world is.
But as soon as you get ten or thirty such genius, their work, their understanding, and
when you see that everything fit in a global unifying view, with the same strong
understanding, although with different names and in different matters, then you are
helped in your understanding of each one of them.
Boutard’s principal discoveries are the origin of electricity, origin of magnetism. He
was able to create life (not to transform it in a twisted and mischevious way, as
genetic does). He created organic life (totally different from organic matter which is
not living at all) from inorganic, by Aether conduction.

New devices – « Aether Soup » & Actimeyria
Boutard’s devices were complex, although the principle were really simple and clear.
So we worked on making devices proving our ideas, and strengthening the
modifications we were already able to make. This guided us to the conception of
Actimeyria, a water treatment device, inspired from Schauberger’s ideas. We are now
looking for funds in order to make a full working prototype. We also created a very
simple device, based on very precise shapes, and surprisingly, these shaped
naturally put Aether into movement, seducing it so as to concentrate it in a closed
“recipient”. We found that the air itself had a different touch and feeling, more
energised, denser, heavier – like a kind of microscopic soup.
We are now working so as to concentrate it more and more, until we will be able to
model this very matter into shapes…
As a brief conclusion, Schauberger’s genius is proven true, not only in the way of
movement, or finely crafted devices, and well designed practical applications, he is
true in his cosmological views of the universe. For this view, this beautiful
understanding of the creation, he will have the proper respect and admiration he
deserves for the years to come.

5.4 William Baumgartner: The Design and Manufacture of Wendelrohre

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6 Designations

6.1 Geräte zur Erzeugung von Vor- und Auftrieb.(Generation of propulsion
and buoyancy)

(Pat.-Nr. unlesbar; unreadable)
Um- und Aufbau gasförmiger Substanzen (Alterations and synthesis of gaseous
Kennzeichen: Die erwünschten Sog- und Druckeinflüsse auf das Durchströmgut
werden mittels Doppelmembran (Patent 146 141) erzeugt. Bis zur Anmeldung
des Patents 19 395 bezeichnete V. Schauberger die Repulsine als Repulsator.
(Main characteristic: Rilled-Double-Membrane (Patent 146 141). Attention: Viktor
called it Repulsator until the registration of Patent Nr. 19 395 !

(Patent 19 395)
Um- und Aufbau tropfbar - flüssiger Substanzen.( Alterations and
synthesis of liquid substances).
Sie dient der Vermehrung der Substanz und ihrer qualitativen Verbesserung.
(Increase and quality-improvement of substances).
Kennzeichen: Die erwünschten Sog- und Druckeinflüsse auf das Durchströmgut
werden mittels parabel- und hyperbelförmiger Leit- und Gleitflächen
erzeugt.(Main characteristics: Vanes of parabolic and hyperbolic shape)

7 Greetings of the participants to one classic: Olof Alexandersson

1 Baumgartner, Helen USA
2 Baumgartner, William USA
3 Berskog, Robert S
4 Bodensieck, Jan D
5 Feierabend, Dick USA
6 Fischer, Jens D
7 Fischer, Uwe D
8 Fröschl, Stefan A
9 Gansler, Robert D
10 Haitz,Michael D
11 Hallberg, Curt D
12 Harthun, Norbert D
13 Hilscher, Gottfried D
14 Höhndorf, Reiner D
15 Ive, Anders S
16 Johansson, Lars S
17 Jonas Volker D
18 Kersting, Horst D
19 Knight, Dolly UK
20 Lechner, Karl D
21 Lee, Hang-Gyu D
22 Frau Lerche D
23 Mannu, Cédric F
24 Meubrink, Pirka D
25 Ovesen, Morten S
26 Pühringer, Josef A
27 Rauber, Klaus D
28 Sadetzky, Malte D
29 Salat, Anton D
30 Schaeffer, Bernd D
31 Schauberger, Jörg A
32 Schmidt, Gerald D
33 Stromberg, Jonathan UK
34 Tribuzio, Pasquale CH
35 Trundt, Monika D
36 Wiederkehr, Stefan CH